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dolphindamselfly:

au where instead of bran stark using hodor as a human wheelchair they have a friendship where they mutually help each other with stuff like hodor carries bran around but bran also acts as an interpreter for hodor and helps calm him down and stuff like imagine them as mutual helpers it’s so much better than bran treating hodor like an animal and warging in him and stuff

Okay, I’m going to preface this response by saying that I’m in agreement that Bran should not be skinchanging into Hodor. But that’s something I’m not getting into anymore because I’ve said all I plan to on the subject.

That being said, I don’t understand how anyone can argue that Bran and Hodor don’t have a genuine friendship or that Bran treats Hodor like an animal?

Let’s look at the first mention of Hodor in a Bran chapter:

His father had told him that he ought to say his farewells today, and he had tried. After the hunt had ridden out, he wandered through the castle with his wolf at his side, intending to visit the ones who would be left behind, Old Nan and Gage the cook, Mikken in his smithy, Hodor the stableboy who smiled so much and took care of his pony and never said anything but “Hodor,” […] [AGOT]

Bran sees Hodor here as 

  • someone he will miss when he goes to King’s Landing
  • someone who helps him by caring for his pony

Hodor is also the only person in that paragraph that Bran notes personal details about (smiling a lot and only saying “Hodor”), showing that Bran knows Hodor well and indicating that he cares about him.

During Bran’s dream as he’s in a coma, Hodor is the only non-family member at Winterfell besides Maester Luwin (who is also important to Bran) that he sees

He saw Hodor, the simple giant from the stables, carrying an anvil to Mikken’s forge, hefting it onto his shoulder as easily as another man might heft a bale of hay. [AGOT]

Bran empathizes with Hodor and even loves him

When the distant cheers had faded to silence and the yard was empty at last, Winterfell seemed deserted and dead. Bran looked around at the faces of those who remained, women and children and old men … and Hodor. The huge stableboy had a lost and frightened look to his face. “Hodor?” he said sadly. “Hodor,” Bran agreed, wondering what it meant. [AGOT]

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"You could have been a knight too, I bet," Bran told him. "If the gods hadn’t taken your wits, you would have been a great knight." [ACOK]

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"You could tell [a story]" said Bran. "While we walked. Hodor likes stories about knights. I do, too.’ [ASOS]

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He sent sweets to Hodor and Old Nan as well, for no reason but he loved them. [ACOK]

and defends him from the cruel comments made by the Walders

Little Walder cast his splintered lance aside, spied Bran, and reined up. “Now there’s an ugly horse,” he said of Hodor.

"Hodor’s no horse," Bran said.

[…]

Little Walder’s mount whickered. “See, they’re talking to each other. Maybe hodor means ‘I love you’ in horse.”

"You shut up, Frey." Bran could feel his color rising. [ACOK]

Bran tries to be patient with Hodor, even when he’s tired and hungry and irritated

"Hoooooodor," said Hodor swaying. "Hooooodor, hooooodor, hoDOR, hoDOR, hoDOR." Sometimes he liked to do this, just saying his name different ways, over and over and over. […] "HODOR, HODOR, HODOR!" he shouted. He is not going to stop, Bran realized. “Hodor,” he said, “why don’t you go outside and train with your sword?” [ASOS]

And you say Bran never attempts to comfort/calm down Hodor?

Hodor jumped away, wailing “Hodor, Hodor” in dismay until Bran patted his shoulder to soothe his fears. [ACOK]

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Hodor saw them too. “Hodor,” he wimpered, reluctant to go on. But when the girl child stopped to let them catch her, the torchlight steadied, and Bran realized that the snakes were only white roots like the one he’d hit his head on. “It’s weirwood roots,” he said. “Remember the heart tree in the godswood, Hodor? The white tree with red leaves? A tree can’t hurt you.” [ADWD]

When Hodor is panicking at Queenscrown, Bran does do his best to calm him down but Bran is also scared to death himself and when he does snap at Hodor to “be quiet” he does it in a “shrill scared voice”.

Now, as far as Bran “using Hodor as a human wheelchair”… let’s talk about that for a minute. 

Bran is not selfishly having himself carried around like a prince on a litter by Hodor because he sees Hodor as inferior to him. In fact, he feels fairly horrible about the whole concept

Hodor hummed tunelessly as he went down hand under hand, Bran bouncing against his back in the wicker seat that Maester Luwin had fashioned for him. […] It was not as good as riding Dancer, but there were places Dancer could not go, and this did not shame Bran the way it did when Hodor carried him in his arms like a baby. Hodor seemed to like it too, though with Hodor it was hard to tell. [AGOT]

Bran feels shame and discomfort when he’s carried by Hodor and the basket on the back is only a SLIGHT improvement. Bran gets no enjoyment out of needing assistance like this.

"Men will look at you," Maester Luwin had warned him the first time they had strapped the wicker basket around Hodor’s chest. "They will look, and they will talk, and some will mock you." [AGOT]

Does that sound like anything a person would ever want to endure? If there had been a better option for Bran, I think we can reasonably assume that he would have taken it. Do you think that there are many wheelchairs readily available Beyond the Wall for Bran to use? And it should also be mentioned that Hodor never objects to carrying Bran. 

In what ways specifically does Bran not mutually help Hodor in return? To the best of his ability, he defends and comforts Hodor, he DOES translate for Hodor many times and when he doesn’t, it’s because he doesn’t know what Hodor means (I can provide quotes here, if needed), he thinks fondly of Hodor the majority of the time, and always ensures that Hodor has the same food and safety that he and his other companions have.

I really resent the implication that has been made in this fandom more times than one that Bran mistreats Hodor from the start and that they don’t have a real friendship. Again, I will absolutely agree that Bran’s skinchanging into Hodor is wrong, but I don’t see how anyone can deny that Bran still cares for Hodor and sees him as an invaluable person in his life.

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aprildralle:

mquester:

I loved this scene so much. The actors play off this pairing as flirty and adorable in a way the characters really weren’t in the novels IMO. 

That said, when she said the line, “Girls see more blood than boys,” my husband was all confused and like, “What, warrior women, she means?”

So I just looked at him and started listing off, “Blood from their periods every month, maybe blood from sex, blood from childbirth, blood from tending and washing the wounded and dead…That’s been true for most of womankind all through history.”

And he got very, very quiet.

I’ve reblogged this before, but I’m reblogging again for the commentary because this little exchange is like a wink to the female audience that I really loved and I guarantee you that any woman who saw this would know exactly what she means. There are a pretty big chunk of men in the world who don’t think that “women’s work” or women’s bodies are worth knowing about. Also I think find it really amusing when he tries to pass off his ignorance with, “you’re different, you’re not like other women” and she immediately shuts that down.
onionjulius asked: Hey chica, hope your holiday is going well/went well. Do you by chance know the extent of House Lannister's debts to date?

Thanks, doing good. :) And House Lannister is not in debt currently. Unlike what the show said (I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t be referring to it though?) the Westerlands mines are not remotely empty and House Lannister remains very very rich.

The crown is heavily in debt, however. And though the crown is currently run by members of House Lannister and their vassals, it is not actually part of the house, and their accounts are separate. In fact, the crown owes a great amount to the Lannisters, among others:

Grand Maester Pycelle looked to Littlefinger and asked, “Will the treasury bear the expense?”
“What treasury is that?” Littlefinger replied with a twist of his mouth. “Spare me the foolishness, Maester. You know as well as I that the treasury has been empty for years. I shall have to borrow the money. No doubt the Lannisters will be accommodating. We owe Lord Tywin some three million dragons at present, what matter another hundred thousand?”
Ned was stunned. “Are you claiming that the Crown is three million gold pieces in debt?”
“The Crown is more than six million gold pieces in debt, Lord Stark. The Lannisters are the biggest part of it, but we have also borrowed from Lord Tyrell, the Iron Bank of Braavos, and several Tyroshi trading cartels. Of late I’ve had to turn to the Faith.”

—AGOT, Eddard IV

Note even after his grandson was on the throne, Tywin still had no desire whatsoever to release the crown’s debts:

“Robert was as generous with his coin as he was with his cock. Littlefinger borrowed heavily. From you, amongst others. Yes, the incomes are considerable, but they are barely sufficient to cover the usury on Littlefinger’s loans. Will you forgive the throne’s debt to House Lannister?”
“Don’t be absurd.”

—ASOS, Tyrion IV

Now, as of AFFC, Cersei Lannister was able to get the Faith to forgive what the crown owed them, nearly 1 million gold, in exchange for revoking the 250-year-old ban on the Faith Militant. (To her eventual dismay.) She also refused to make any payments on the debt owed to the Iron Bank of Braavos, causing them to refuse any new Westerosi loans, demand immediate repayment of loans from all over Westeros, and fund the Iron Throne’s enemies. (Again, to her dismay.) But again, this is the crown’s debt, not that of House Lannister.

That said, in ADWD Tyrion did make a promise of gold to the Second Sons mercenary company so that he could join them, signing bearer bonds drawing on his (currently inaccessible) Lannister accounts and as his (legally questionable) status as Lord of Casterly Rock. That in total was a promise of approximately 150,000 gold, plus lands, a castle, and a lordship. So I suppose those could be considered House Lannister’s debts, though whether they’ll ever be collected is a very good question.

But if you’re asking about figurative debts that the Lannisters intend to pay, I couldn’t tell you offhand. Though if you wanted, I could do a search for every time their catchphrase is mentioned and figure out who’s still needing payback of one form or another. :)

Anonymous asked: Hi James, I hope you do not mind these endless questions about ASOIAF. What do you think of Cersei? Do you think she is/ ever was a good player at all? Do you think her POV chapters improved her or ruined her character? Thanks!

Cersei is a character that I love to hate but it’s complicated because I don’t hate her at all. She’s one of my favourite ASOIAF characters, which is strange because I often tend to pick favourites if I admire their moral values. And Cersei’s moral values are questionable at best. (Though to be fair, this is true for almost all ASOIAF characters.)

I also happen to love complex characters. Probably that’s why Cersei is one of my favourites. And her POV chapters definitely improved her character. Before AFFC, it was so easy to dislike Cersei and dub her as “the evil bitch” - a characterisation that I abhor, by the way. Before we got POV chapters from her, she was… let’s see, Robert’s wife, the hostile sister, sadistic Queen, the woman who killed Ned. More or less. And these are hardly told in positive tones. But once we started getting POV chapters of her, we started understanding the motivation and thoughts behind her actions. Whether you agree with them or not, I’d say that’s a definite improvement.

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withoutthelove1 asked: Do you know what the joke, how many dornishmen does it take to shoe a horse, 9, one to shoe the horse, 8 to hold it up, means? I never really understood it unless I was trying to read to much into it and it was just a racist thing Also great episode keep it up!! Just remember you have people who agree with you and support you! I'm white and I even imagined the martells to be POC!
fatpinkcast answered:

To me it’s a clear shout-out to the "how many ____s does it take to change a lightbulb?" joke, which always has a punchline about the stereotype of the group the ____s are from.

TV tropes describes it as:

"How many members of a specified ethnic demographic does it take to change a light bulb?"
"Ten— one to screw in the light bulb and nine to act in a manner stereotypical of their ethnicity.”

A Song of Ice and Fire is set in a world with no lightbulbs, so “shoeing a horse” becomes the equivalent technical task for bad joke tellers.   In English, screwing a lightbulb was at some point a form of sexual innuendo—go even further back to Shakespeare and you’ll find "shoeing a horse" was innuendo in The Merchant of Venice for masturbating.

My reading of Joffrey’s joke is twofold…one is that Dornishmen are so stupid that rather than just shoeing the horse they think you have to lift the entire horse to get to the hoof (one of the original lightbulb jokes revolved around [insert whatever group the joke was about] being so stupid one person would hold the lightbulb and 8 people would turn the chair in a circle.)   The other is an innuendo that may escape Joffrey—how many Dornishmen does it take to masturbate…

The lightbulb joke is known for a) not being very funny and b) almost always told about a group in a targeted position when not told by someone from the group.   (People tell self-deprecating lightbulb jokes about their own group’s decision making processes or the oppression they experience, but usually when someone is telling a lightbulb joke about another group, it is derogatory and they have some form of societal privilege over that group.)    

According to Joseph Boskin in his book The Humor Prism in 20th-century Americathe lightbulb joke originated as part of a series of jokes to mock a white ethnic group, the Polish, during the 1960s and 1970s.   Boskin theorizes that given the spread of the joke and it’s relationship with electricity/energy, it also spoke to underlying American tensions and anxieties with power in the middle east, oil, and the Iranian government.   A lot can be read into what lightbulbs signify:  power, energy, brightness, easy to screw in, a one person job, sexual innuendo etc. allowing for commentary on everything ranging from intelligence to sexual prowess/impotence.   The joke provides an easy way for someone to present a stereotype.

George RR Martin has Tyrion reflect on Joffrey’s crappy joke morosely when Oberyn pulls up:

How many Dornishman does it take to start a war?  Tyrion thought. One.


The lightbulb joke obviously has a lot of roots with societal oppression in the United States—it was formulated by the dominant racial group of white Americans to mock white ethnic groups that were not considered completely white at the time.  It quickly expanded to target Jewish, Puerto Rican, and Iranian people, and it continues to be used to mock groups such as people of color, feminists, and LGBTQ people today.  

It’s obvious that the Andal people of Westeros look down on the Dornish for some reason, and Martin decided to demonstrate this by using allusions to modern-day jokes with racist origins.  (The “what’s the difference between a Dornishmen and a cowflop joke” clearly evokes “difference between a blank and a blank” jokes, but is most reminiscent of a popular “what’s the difference between dog shit and…” joke about black people that is still popular on white supremacist websites today.)   This is part of the reason why readers read Dornishmen of Rhoynar descent as people of color.

-M 

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Anonymous asked: In regards to your other post. I'm more of a book person and don't like some things that the show did. I really liked Cat. Correct me if I'm wrong but Cat didn't have much time with her kids because she was prevented from it.. Robb was the only one she could be with. And I felt she had a major role with him to teach him how to rule though it wasn't said so much. She also parlayed with renely and warned him about the freys. And really annoyed Stoneheart wasn't shown
onionjulius answered:

Cat not having much time with her kids is an authorial choice though, and one that could’ve been done differently. Right at the end of Arya’s first chapter Catelyn comes to discipline her. GRRM could not have given over a couple pages to the actual encounter between mother and daughter? It’s not important enough? Why, because it isn’t about how precious Jon Snow is and how precious Arya Stark is and how they’re so unique and precious together and how they’re so unique and different from the other Starks and how they’re such better Starks than the rest and how nobody understands their misunderstood souls and blah blah blah? Disney is applauded for making Brave but the dynamics between a mother like Catelyn and a daughter like Arya is … boring? Insignificant? Not germaine??! He really had an obvious chance right there. In Jon’s first chapter he could have included an exchange between Jon and Cat somewhere in that huge feasting hall, even had Jon observe Bran and Cat together so that, again, we could have these interactions in actual print.

The way it turns out, Cat only has Ned and Robb (and she argues with both and disagrees with both throughout the plot that are really big game-changers and make people hate her) and Sansa only has Ned and Arya (and she aruges with both and disagrees with both throughout the plot that are really big game-changers and make people hate her). Meanwhile? Bran so looks up to his big brother Robb and big brother Jon and oh isn’t Jon the best look he gave up his own puppy! Arya so looks up to her big brother Jon and daddy Ned and oh aren’t they the best they really understand how hard she has it being with those *shudder* typical women! Isn’t Ned such a great daddy look how understanding and gentle he is with Bran/Arya/Sansa!! Blah. blah. blah. This is not about how Cat the character should have done more to be with more of her children so that we can get scenes of her with them, she obviously did her best with really difficult circumstances. This is about how the author chooses how to frame and structure his narrative elements to support (or not support) various arcs, thus influencing how well those arcs “pop” for the generalized audience.

Cat did have political elements in her story, but things always went wrong, directly or indirectly. It’s inevitably going to contrast with narratives like Jon’s or Dany’s where narrative “wins” are so much more palpable and easily accessed. When you have things so obviously appealing to modern tastes like “Men of all classes are like chains in the same link! Look how much wiser than his elders Jon is!!!!”, nothing about a lot of that stuff was strictly vital to the plot, but it fleshes it out and makes Jon come off the way GRRM really really obviously wants him to. Personally I don’t like this obvious hero style of Jon’s narrative very much, but the fact that these extremes exist in the same book inevitably does a disservice to some of the characters who are written in a more difficult/sophisticated/what-have-you style. Maybe Catelyn Stark should’ve been in a different fictional universe from Harry Potter.

I too am annoyed that Stoneheart isn’t in the HBO show. Too bad GRRM hasn’t made any future importance she might have clear, eh?

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Anonymous asked: What do you think about Robert feelings towards Lyanna? I just feel like the love he says to feel only exist bc she was never "his", you know? Like a spoil child thing

That’s a tough question. I disagree with you because Robert definitely believed he loved her before even Rhaegar when she was supposed to be “his”. 

I think Robert’s grief was real, Robert’s desire to protect and be Lyanna’s hero was real, the emotions all came from real places because Robert truly wanted to be a hero and he truly believed he loved Lyanna. The Iron Throne meant nothing to him compared to the safety of Lyanna:

Robert looked away, off into the grey distance. “The gods be damned. It was a hollow victory they gave me. A crown… it was the girl I prayed them for. Your sister, safe… and mine again, as she was meant to be. I ask you, Ned, what good is it to wear a crown? The gods mock the prayers of kings and cowherds alike.” Ned, AGoT

The real question is how legitimate can Robert’s love be if he never saw Lyanna for who she was.

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George R. R. Martin talks about “Game of Thrones” characters Arya and the Hound. [x]

"He’s also on Arya’s vengeance list, but when the chance arises that he might take her home, she can’t turn it down."

  

In addition to the color theory reasons, GoT recently explained the in-character reason why Dany wears blue all the time. Source: Costume Designer Michele Clapton, via the S3 Blu-Ray special features.

nobodysuspectsthebutterfly

daenystormborn:

"Blue was the color of royalty in Khal Drogo’s khalasar. It was the color of the expensive dye which they adorned themselves with, more so on special occasions such as Drogo’s wedding. […] Thus, while in Season 3 Daenerys no longer wears a Dothraki-style "cut" to her outfit, she switched to blue colors as a symbol of her authority as a Khaleesi and in memory of Drogo."

nobodysuspectsthebutterfly:

teawithiroh replied to your post:

I find this color theory very interesting and awesome! I never even thought of it.

The color filtering in Game of Thrones was frequently commented on in the first season, though I haven’t seen much about it lately. But it’s used as a cue to let you know where things are happening without sticking a location caption on the scene — the further north you are, the bluer it is, the further south the more orange. If they ever show Dorne, it’ll probably be more orange than King’s Landing, maybe more orange than the slave cities even.

You can see in this blog post someone complaining about how the filtering makes it very difficult to tell what’s going on in some scenes and how it causes so many set details to be lost in the murk of shadow. And just ask any GoT graphic maker about the kinds of things they have to do to make their artwork look decent… if you ever see someone bitching about the lighting in a scene, it’s not just because it’s dark (though that’s the usual problem), it’s also because it’s orangey-dark or bluey-dark.

And like, let’s use Sansa as an example. Here she is with all the other Starks in Winterfell, and you can see how blue it is:

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In King’s Landing it’s orange:

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And in the Eyrie she’s blue again:

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which is bluer than previous scenes in the Eyrie, but they may be ramping up the blue filter here because of the first snow and that it’s in a godswood, to increase the “Northern” feeling.