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knightjaime asked: Hi, I checked through your 'asoiaf theories' but I apologise if someone's asked this before. Have you heard of the Dornish Master Plan Theory? If so, what are your thoughts on it? youtube(.)com/ watch?v=6TBfdd_xNVo

FAQ: I don’t watch video theories. I don’t listen to podcast theories. Unless it’s written down (legibly and with sources preferred), I don’t care, sorry.

But since some googling has given me a vague idea of what’s in those video rants, let me just say, no, Oberyn did not found the Brave Companions and command them to maim Jaime, that’s complete balderdash. Quentyn is extremely dead. Marwyn and Qyburn and Mirri Maz Duur are not Martell agents, again that’s ridiculous. The Martells are not behind the militarization of the Faith. And for more, there are some decent take downs here and here, if you’re still interested.

Anyway, conspiracy theories lose me in general, especially ridiculously complex ones. We know what the Martell plan was, and it wasn’t that good, unfortunately. And the fact that Doran is completely befuddled by Aegon showing up basically says it all. I’m sorry, but even though they’re pretty darn cool, the Martells aren’t badass long-con conspiracy master planners. We’ll just have to see if their current plan (Nymeria on the Small Council, Tyene infiltrating the Faith, Arianne meeting Aegon) gets anywhere, or if it ends as badly as Arianne’s last plan… or as bad as Quentyn’s.

In Defense of Arya Stark


Nothing bothers me more than seeing people label Arya as a “sociopath” or a “psychopath”. Besides the fact that it seems to indicate that the those people don’t actually know the meaning of the words, it also demonstrates either an absurdly biased reading of the character or just the lack of ability to read and understand context, themes, ect. in complex literature. 

For starters, let’s look at the definitions of these words. 

sociopath |ˈsōsēōˌpaTH|


a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.

Sociopaths are people defined by a lack of empathy and understanding/dealing with people- which are not Arya’s problems. Arya continues to illustrate empathy for people she has no reason to feel for. She questions why the first Faceless Men would kill the slaves and not the slavers. She immediately feeds dehydrated, caged, brutal men water just because she feels bad for their extensive suffering despite their depraved acts. Arya intervenes when Samwell is about to be mugged/robbed/killed in Braavos despite never meeting him before; then she offers him advice on how to avoid that situation, gives him free food, and directs him where he wants to go. Arya puts herself in a very dangerous position while being ambushed by goldcloaks over a little girl, Weasel, who- when Gendry stated was useless- stood up for her and said don’t blame her for being young. Arya feels guilt over wrecking a woman’s nice dress, apologizes over it, and feels sorry for the woman’s (Lady Smallwood) son’s death. Arya feels incredibly guilty that her actions in Harrenhal caused people to suffer because she naively assumed she was putting good people in charge- she feels so guilty she forces herself to imagine someone else’s head in place of the ones she accidentally helped put on spikes. Arya felt uncomfortable and guilty with the knowledge that some Northmen she never met and had no control over their actions had raped/pillaged a village. Arya could not accept the idea of leaving Hotpie, Gendry, Weasel, or even Lommy behind even when she would have benefitted from it; she even puts herself in great danger for Gendry and Weasel.

Arya can and does empathize with people, interact with them, has a conscience, and feels

psychopath |ˈsīkəˌpaTH|


a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior.

I’ll be the first to admit that Arya is suffering from mental trauma like many of the young characters in ASoIaF, but she is not stuck with “abnormal or violent social behavior”. Arya does not have to curb herself from the desire to attack people or kill them when she meets them because she has not real violent urges. Does she act violently at times (or even a lot of times)? YES. Does that really make her a violent person? Not really. She doesn’t delight in hurting people or have to consciously hold back from attacking people. Arya is quick to decide that she must kill someone for her survival, probably too quick, but she’s never brutal or vicious or sadistic. She doesn’t desire to hurt people who have never wronged her- she doesn’t take any pleasure in violence.

People really confuse darkness with evil here. Arya is incredibly traumatized. Seriously, she has been alone in a kill or be kill world since she was eight. She was present when her father was unjustly executed to the people around her’s delight, she was present during the Red Wedding, she was captured and made a servant multiple times, undergoes severe identity loss to the point that in only the third book she wonders if she only dreamt up Arya Stark. Furthermore, she has been starved, pushed around, caught in battles, witnessed horrific torture, seen the aftereffects of the war torn Westeros which exacerbate her ongoing disillusionment and dealing with serious abandonment issues ranging from people dying on her (her family, Yoren) to people betraying her in her mind (Gendry, Hotpie, Harwin.) So Arya is really dark at this point.

But that’s the point. Arya has undergone such impossibly awful experiences at such a young age that she’s been almost conditioned to act the way we see. She kills/wants to kill casually not because of any real malicious intent (aside from the people on her list who have seriously wronged her) but because of survival- at least in her own mind. From the moment the stable boy tried to forcibly take her to Cersei and only his death saved her, Arya began to see that people would destroy/kill her if she hesitated. Even in the House of Black and White, it is clearly stated that Arya believes she has nowhere else to go and not being an assassin would get her kicked out. As a result, Arya has become seemingly cold and callous at the idea of death. She doesn’t desire to kill people for fun (like real psychos Ramsay Bolton and Gregor Clegane,) she doesn’t even enjoy the fight or battle (like Sandor Clegane and even Robert Baratheon,) and she doesn’t even kill anyone she doesn’t perceive as “bad” or “dangerous”.

Does that make it okay? No, not really. Especially when Arya’s perceptions as an eight to twelve year old aren’t always fair or right. But also Westeros is not the modern world as people keep forgetting. There are value differences such as treatment of the common folk, treatment of women and rape, and, yes, even treatment of killing. After all, it’s a culture where a common practice to prove one’s innocence is a trial by combat aka a fight to the death typically against someone who has never wronged you in any way. It’s also a culture where all a noble has to say is this commoner wronged me, kill him (as evidenced by Mycah.) 

So when people call Arya a “sociopath”, “psychopath”, or even “deranged murderer”, they miss not only the true meanings of those words but also the complex character arc and fantasy world that GRRM has created.

mightyisobel asked: In comparing the Free Cities to Slaver's Bay, do you think their economies have an equivalent level of technological sophistication? My guess is that literacy rates in the Free Cities are probably higher (compare Braavosi scripted entertainment to Meereenese blood sports as leisure activities), and that science and technology there are producing economic growth that outstrips Slaver's Bay's. But is that enough to overcome the inherited infrastructure and culture of the old Ghiscari Empire?

Oh, I think the Free Cities are a good bit ahead. 

1. The Ghiscari infrastructure is crumbling to pieces. The Masters aren’t putting anything into repair, let alone improvements.

1a. The Free Cities have inherited infrastructure and culture of their own - the Valyrian Empire. The roads, the walls, the aquaducts, etc. are all still there; the language and what remains of the writings are still there; etc. So it’s a case of the remnants of an Empire that went out on top vs. the re-imagining of an Empire that got given the Carthage treatment. 

2. The Free Cities have a much more diverse economy: Myr alone is expert in producing lace, carpets, fine woolens, glass, mechanical devices and weaponry, as well as probably agricultural products from its part of the Disputed Lands. Slaver’s Bay just produces slaves. 

3. There’s a historical phenomenon by which slavery tends to lead to a slowdown of innovation. Agricultural slavery tends to monocrop exporting - whether it’s grain in the ancient world, tobacco/cotton/etc. in the American case, sugar/coffee/etc. in the Caribbean and Latin America. Industrial slavery tends strongly toward to precious mineral extraction (silver and gold mining in Mexico, Peru, Brazil). Given the enormous profits in these extractive/export industries, there’s little incentives to diversify and invest in new industries; given the nature of slavery, there’s little incentive to look for productivity-enhancing technology (after all, it’s a lot cheaper to buy more slaves and drive the ones you have harder).  

So yeah, I think the Free Cities are a good bit ahead when it comes to technology.

Chapter-by-Chapter Analysis: Tyrion IV, ACOK


Chapter-by-Chapter Analysis: Tyrion IV, ACOK


“I want you to make Father bring his army to King’s Landing.”

“When have I ever been able to make Father do anything?”

Synopsis: Tyrion takes three meetings. One, two, three meetings! Ah ah ah ah ah.

SPOILER WARNING: This chapter analysis, and all following, will contain spoilers for all Song of Ice and Fire novels and Game of Thrones episodes. Caveat lector.


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pearl-nights asked: Hi! So, re Quaithe's prophecy, why does she mention the "sun's son", i.e. Quentyn, in the list of people Daenerys shouldn't trust ("Trust none of them")? As in, what possible threat could Quentyn have posed?

I don’t think Quentyn was a threat as such, but he was a distraction from the purpose that Quaithe sees for Dany. I mean, when it comes to trustworthy people, Quaithe is not exactly a posterchild. She has her own agenda for Dany, whatever it may be. (I don’t think it’s a malicious agenda, but it may see Dany more of a symbol or for her magical potential rather than as a person.) But per her words:

"To go north, you must journey south, to reach the west you must go east. To go forward you must go back and to touch the light you must pass beneath the shadow."

…Quaithe seems to believe that Dany must go east and south and to the shadow — that is, to Asshai. (Whether Dany will actually ever go to Asshai is a different question, but per GRRM it looks very unlikely.) Quentyn, with his offer of support from Dorne, would be a temptation to go west and north to Westeros without fulfilling Quaithe’s agenda first.

In my opinion, Quaithe only wants Dany to fulfill her magical, messianic purpose (I’m sure “the light” is the curtain of light at the end of the world), and therefore any distractions of politics are untrustworthy. Thus, Quaithe sows the seeds of doubt, putting Quentyn and Tyrion on the same level as Victarion or “Aegon” or the perfumed seneschal, that none of them should be trusted. Whether or not it’s true is not relevant.

Also note, Quentyn did try to steal a dragon. (To prove himself to Dany, who wasn’t even there, but nevertheless.) His actions caused much chaos in Meereen, and may lead into even more chaos in the future. (Especially considering his death and all; like, the effect on Dany’s relationship with Dorne, etc.) If Quaithe is a prophet or has similar powers to Melisandre (which we don’t know, as Quaithe is a shadowbinder and Mel is a priestess of R’hllor and these may be quite different things), she may have seen the chaos leading from Quentyn’s actions and therefore put him down as not to be trusted, even though he wasn’t a threat in and of himself.

buffyofwinterfell asked: What do you make of Dany remembering a lemon tree outside of the Braavos House when Braavos is a cold, infertile, treeless place? Although I don't buy the Preston Jacobs theory going round (R + L almost defs does NOT equal D as compelling as that would be...), that is a really side-eye worth point. Is there some geographical point in Dany's early life being left? out? Or was she just too young to coherently remember and is idealizing?
joannalannister answered:

Hi buffyofwinterfell! I feel like I should be at least mildly surprised that there’s actually a theory as ridiculous as Rhaegar+Lyanna = Dany, but somehow I’m not. (I don’t see how this crack is “compelling” but to each their own.)


That was when they lived in Braavos, in the big house with the red door. Dany had her own room there, with a lemon tree outside her window. After Ser Willem had died, the servants had stolen what little money they had left, and soon after they had been put out of the big house. Dany had cried when the red door closed behind them forever. 


“There’s no more wood.” Dareon had paid the innkeep double for a room with a hearth, but none of them had realized that wood would be so costly here. Trees did not grow on Braavos, save in the courts and gardens of the mighty.

Dany remembered it just fine. (Preston Jacobs, on the other hand…) There is no mystery here. The luxurious house that Daenerys lived in as a child likely had an inner courtyard or a garden that sheltered the lemon tree that Daenerys saw from her window. A princess would have a room off a courtyard (as opposed to a room overlooking the street) because it would offer protection and because that’s probably a nicer room. 

I’m guessing Preston Jacobs is just using the wiki, which makes the erroneous statement that there are no trees whatsoever in Braavos (“There are no trees to be found within the city, making Braavos a city of stone architecture and granite monuments.”), to spew crack theories that people get excited about because we’ve all been talking about the same things for so long without a new book that some people start to see the literary equivalent of mirages in the desert. 

People are seeing things that aren’t there. Daenerys Stormborn is the daughter of Rhaella and Aerys Targaryen.

Daenerys and the peace with Yunkai


(Just a note, this was a response to a thread on the worg about the Meereenese Blot essays and their relevance. I definitely recommend everyone reads them if they haven’t already - particularly if you have quite a negative impression of Dany’s narrative in Meereen. I’ve generally come to disagree with a lot of its conclusions, but I think it’s a good starting point… But anyway, I address my concerns in this post. It’s not a full analysis of the politics of Dany’s reign in Meereen - it’s merely a look at the peace deal she makes with Yunkai and why her rejection of peace isn’t a mistake/based on a misconception, which I have a huge issue with.)

I think the essays are a great starting point and have significantly changed the way we tend to discuss Dany’s reign in Meereen. But discussions change and evolve, and I think we’ve reached a point now where we can see the weaknesses in the OP’s analysis.

Most importantly, as has already been mentioned, the “peace” was most likely not entirely real. I do believe that some of the Yunkai’i wanted to stick with the peace… but the real question is, could they? After Dany departs Yunkai, the Yunkai’i are quick to make alliances and arrangements with other stronger forces: more sellswords, Qarth, Volantis, and even the Dothraki. By Daenerys IX ADwD, however, they’re in a fairly strong position; they are promised that Dany will not interfere with slavery in their city, and she will acknowledge the validity of slavery outside their city. It makes sense that their best interest would be to retreat - keeping Meereen weakened - and prevent any further warfare. Not to mention that Meereen remaining free gives Yunkai a monopoly over Slaver’s Bay.

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Alright, so I got this idea a while ago and it hasn’t left my head since. A Song of Ice and Fire is filled with paralleling and mirroring sets of characters, relationships and plots, and there’s one such parallel I’d like to discuss, because I’ve never heard anyone mention it anywhere. Granted, it may seem a bit weird on first sight, but I assure you it makes perfect sense:

The story of Jaime, Cersei and Brienne mirrors that of Rhaegar, Elia and Lyanna.

Wanna hear how?

1. Jaime thinks he failed to protect Rhaegar’s wife and children… Alright, so what tips us off about this parallel is Jaime’s connection to Rhaegar. In the course of ASOS and AFFC we are shown how Jaime is haunted by the ghosts of his past, especially the era of Robert’s Rebellion. One of these ghosts is Rhaegar Targaryen, a man he admired, a man he feels he betrayed. In Jaime’s weirwood dream Rhaegar blames Jaime for failing to protect his wife and children. In truth, it was not Jaime who failed Elia, Rhaenys and Aegon, but Rhaegar himself who ran off with another woman.

2. …while he actually failed to protect his own. This is the great irony. While Jaime is blameless for failing to protect Rhaegar’s wife and children, he has failed to protect his own “wife” and children, (and even for the same reason as Rhaegar, but I’ll get back to that later). Rhaegar was married to Elia Martell, but he ran off with Lyanna Stark, starting a war. He was not there when Tywin Lannister took King’s Landing and his mad dog Gregor Clegane butchered Elia and their children. Jaime is all but officially married to Cersei (they have had a long, monogamous relationship, they would be married if they could, “do you have a wife, ser?” no, I have a sister - you know the drill), and he left her: he burned her letter and ignored her plea for help. Then Brienne of Tarth turned up in his tent, and even though GRRM is hogging information on what happened next we know he went away with her, and has been gone for some time already. He hasn’t made it back to King’s Landing to protect his family.

Meanwhile, Cersei is in King’s Landing, in mortal danger because of her pending trial with the Faith. The whole realm is in turmoil, and Tommen and Myrcella - gold shall be their crowns, and gold shall be their shrouds, don’t forget - are in the eye of the storm, one of them sitting uneasily on the Iron Throne, the other one the vessel of Dornish ambitions. (Also note that Jaime wasn’t there when Joffrey, their first child, died.)

3. Both Elia and Cersei’s fates are in the hands of Gregor Clegane. This is perhaps the most intriguing detail. It seems that it will be Gregor Clegane aka Robert Strong who has the power of life and death over Cersei, just as he had it over Elia. Only this time he is to protect, not to destroy. (And however the trial by combat ends, Cersei/Gregor will be a beautiful foil to Elia/Gregor.)

4. Rhaegar ran off with Lyanna, Jaime with Brienne. Now hold a sec before you disagree. I’m not going to start a debate about Rhaegar’s feelings for Lyanna, or Jaime’s feelings for Brienne in this meta. I’m sure we can all agree, however, that Rhaegar cared for Lyanna, and Jaime cares for Brienne, clearly enough to leave behind his duty and follow her at her word. Both Rhaegar and Jaime left a lot of things behind them when they left (even though we know precious little about the actual events of Robert’s Rebellion) including responsibilities and their families. Seeing a parallel here? Then consider this: Rhaegar left his duties and ran off with Lyanna because he believed in another duty, his duty to create the dragon with three heads, and Jaime runs off with Brienne because of his duty to the oath to keep Lady Catelyn’s daughters safe.

5. Blue, roses and beauties. Actually, I’m going to argue that there’s more to it: Lyanna and Brienne themselves mirror each other. (Granted, Lyanna does mirror many other characters of the series too, most obviously Arya and Margaery, but I’m not going to venture there in this meta.) Lyanna and Brienne share both similar characteristics and similar symbolism. Both Lyanna and Brienne are noblewomen who stepped outside their traditional role and became warriors. Both have taken part in tourneys, both have defended helpless people against bullies. (Assuming Lyanna is the Knight of the Laughing Tree, she defended Howland Reed - and in AFFC Brienne protects the orphans in the inn against the brigands.)

Lyanna is famously associated with the blue roses of Winterfell. Brienne, too, is associated with roses - her fever dreams in AFFC feature rose as a constant motif, and in ASOS a wound Jaime gives her is referred to as a “red flower”. (I know it doesn’t say “rose”, but it it goes in line with how the rose motif in Brienne’s dreams is associated with blood.) Actually also the colour blue is shared by Lyanna and Brienne - with Lyanna through the roses, and Brienne has blue armor, blue eyes and is associated with sapphires, and to underline it, she’s even called Brienne the Blue in Renly’s rainbow guard. 

Lyanna is famous for being the Queen of Love and Beauty, and her beauty is generally often referred to. Brienne is known as Brienne the Beauty, only mockingly though. I find it very interesting how this trope is subverted. You know Ned’s famous line about Lyanna: “You saw her beauty, but not the iron underneath.” Reverse it, and you get: “You saw the iron, but not the beauty underneath.” Is this not how Brienne seems to most people? They don’t recognize her beauty (except, again, Jaime Lannister, who does note her “astonishing” eyes), whether we talk about her physically not fitting to Westerosi beauty standards, or people judging her based on her outer, not inner beauty that stems ultimately from her good heart. I think no one will disagree with me if I say that Brienne is one of the very few clearly “good” characters in ASOIAF.

Now I refuse to believe it’s only coincidence these characters share so many traits and motifs. A lot of it can, however, be attributed to GRRM’s well known fondness of Beauty and the Beast variations. Jaime and Brienne is one if not the most complex and multi-layered version of the theme in ASOIAF, so it is hardly surprising traditional elements of the tale, such as roses and beauty, are important parts of Brienne’s narrative. I would hesitate to pigeonhole Lyanna and Rhaegar as yet another variation of the theme, but there are fitting elements in the story we have given in asoiaf this far - namely the roses and holding the beautiful maiden captive for sexual purposes. Nothing of this makes the parallel between Brienne and Lyanna less valid though.

6. Queen you shall be. There would be so much more to say about the parallels between Brienne/Lyanna, Jaime/Rhaegar and Cersei/Elia, but I’m also sure someone else than me would have a lot more to say on the topic. Let me just remind you that the prophecy that haunts Cersei - queen you shall be, until there comes another, younger and more beautiful to cast you down and take all that you hold dear - could also have applied to Elia, from whom you could claim Lyanna - younger and more beautiful - took everything, even if it wasn’t her aim to cast Elia down. Now I’ve seen people half-jokingly suggest that the younger queen of Cersei’s prophecy is Brienne, and while I think the younger queen is someone else (probably Dany), I can’t see why there couldn’t be this kind of a level in the prophecy too. After all, prophecies are only what we interpret them to be. Also I find it fairly amusing that Cersei was supposed to marry Rhaegar before Elia did, and that Elia and Cersei are very opposite personality wise, Elia had “a gentle heart and a sweet wit”, while Cersei is everything but gentle and her wit is cruel rather than sweet.

What I’ve brought up is just the tip of the iceberg, and I’d really love to hear other people’s interpretations and thoughts, especially on the parallels between Rhaegar/Jaime and Elia/Cersei. I also wish my meta would lead to some kind of conclusion and I could tell you what’s going to happen to Brienne, Jaime and Cersei in TWOW, but I can’t. Personally, I hope history won’t repeat itself and Jaime will go back to protect his family and Brienne won’t die for his duty as Lyanna died for Rhaegar’s.

That kind of optimistic point of view is of course very much against Maggy the Frog’s prophecy if we take it literally. The valonqar part  - which I’m intentionally mostly leaving out of this already long meta - as well as the prediction of Cersei’s children having golden shrouds do make it sound like the future of Cersei and her children is going to be as bleak as that of Elia and her children. I also agree with those people who think Jaime must be the valonqar. Only maybe he will cause Cersei’s death by neglect and failure, the same way some people blame Rhaegar for Elia’s death? I don’t buy the argument that the choking has to be literal.

Okay, and now the last bone I’m going to throw is - if there’s a Cersei/Elia parallel, can there also be a Jaime/Oberyn parallel (no just Jaime/Rhaegar)? Will Jaime somehow face Robert Strong (why does it always come back to Gregor Clegane?) before the end because of Cersei? To get through him to kill her? To protect her? To avenge her?

I’m afraid I have more questions than I started with, but if I made even one person think of hese characters and storylines in a new light, I am happy.

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Call Me Maybe


Guys, can we talk for a minute about how Sansa and Sandor address each other?

I find this aspect of their relationship fascinating — the fact that they seem to REFUSE to address each other by their actual names!

In one corner, you have Sandor, who, despite being Sansa’s social inferior, deliberately neglects to ever bestow on her the titles and courtesies that she is entitled to even as a “hostage”. He does address her as “Lady Sansa” once at Joff’s Name Day Tourney, but I think that was more for the benefit of the present company (it also read rather sarcastic). In their one-on-one interactions, however, it’s “girl” or “little bird” or “sweetcheeks” (okay, I made that last one up). It’s all very informal.

Then you have Sansa on the flip side, who has a helluva difficult time trying to find some way to address Sandor that ISN’T in a formal manner — “ser” and “my lord” are the best she can come up with, although he is officially neither a knight nor a lord. She calls him “Ser Sandor” once when he’s escorting her from the Hand’s Tourney, but he put the kibash on that pretty quick. Funny thing is, she never asks him what hell he DOES want to be called! And he certainly never offers any alternatives. I wonder what he would say if she did ask… I imagine he would have bitterly suggested she call him “dog” like everyone else does, but she would not have been down with that, as we know she finds the term demeaning. So, to his face, she pretty much doesn’t call him anything if she can help it, and in the text itself, he is always either The Hound or Sandor Clegane (and occasionally just Clegane).

So, what can we infer from this? Well, from Sandor’s POV, I think he shuns the courtesies partly because courtesies are for sissies but also because it IS too formal, and as we know, he is desperate for intimacy and connection with her though he has no clue how to go about getting it. To address her as Sansa, however, would be TOO personal. So what’s the solution? A happy medium of coming up with a nickname for her that is only between them. By calling her “little bird”, he can attain that intimacy with her that he wants without encroaching too much on her personally by using her actual name.

And I think Sansa mirrors this in her refusal to simply address him as Sandor. By doing so, it implies some sort of familiarity and/or kinship, neither of which she is ready to acknowledge just yet. She’s not gonna call him “Clegane” either because that smacks of condescension and superiority. For the same reasons, she wouldn’t call him “Hound” to his face nor “dog”, which is out of the question. So “ser” and “my lord” are basically all she has to fall back on at this point. And even in her own intimate thoughts she cannot bring herself to be so familiar.

Just to sate my own curiosity/boredom, I made a li’l breakdown of how they refer to each other in their scenes together in AGoT and ACoK (in fairness, these only apply to scenes where they are physically in each other’s presence):

"Ser Sandor" — 1 time (spoken)
"My lord" — 4 times (all spoken)
"Sandor Clegane" — 21 times (all text)
"Clegane" — 9 times (all text)
"The Hound" — 45 times (43 text, 2 spoken)

"Lady Sansa" - 1 time
"Child" - 1 time
"Girl" - 9 times
"Little Bird" - 17 times

Suffice it to say, if one of them ever eventually pulls the trigger in addressing the other simply by their first name, it will be a MAJOR moment!

NOTE: I couldn’t find a fitting screenshot for this post, so instead, here’s a long shot of the beating scene, after Sansa has been stripped, and Sandor with his face turned away like A GODDAMN GENTLEMAN.


“A dog will die for you but never lie to you”. The three times the Hound lied for Sansa Stark


I find very interesting this sentence of the Hound, not only because of its meaning but because of when it’s said. It has become one of his most popular quotes, though notice than when he tells it to Sansa, he has already lied for her three times.

1. GOT. When Joffrey shows Sansa Ned and Septa Mordane’s heads

“Your brother is a traitor too, you know.” He turned Septa Mordane’s head back around. “I remember your brother at Winterfell. My dog called him the lord of the wooden sword. Didn’t you, dog?”
“Did I?” the Hound replied. “I don’t recall.”

2. ACOK. At Joffrey’s nameday tourney

Joffrey scowled. He knew she was lying, she could see it. He would make her bleed for this.
“The girl speaks truly,” the Hound rasped. “What a man sows on his name day, he reaps throughout the year.” His voice was flat, as if he did not care a whit whether the king believed him or no.

3. ASOS. When Sandor escorts Sansa to her chambers after the Serpentine stairs scene and they meet Ser Boros:

Ser Boros turned to Sansa. “How is it you are not in your chambers at this hour, lady?”
“I went to the godswood to pray for the safety of the king.” The lie sounded better this time, almost true.
“You expect her to sleep with all the noise?” Clegane said. “What was the trouble?”
“Fools at the gate,” Ser Boros admitted. “Some loose tongues spread tales of the preparations for Tyrek’s wedding feast, and these wretches got it in their heads they should be feasted too. His Grace led a sortie and sent them scurrying.”
“A brave boy,” Clegane said, mouth twitching.

It’s evident where his loyalty fall when it comes to telling the truth. The Hound lies, as everybody does in King’s Landing, the difference is to whom. And seeing how he has behaved with Sansa so far and how he’d already lied in order to protect her, clearly this phrase is not a generalization and it refers to his thoughts about her and it’s meant only for her (unfortunately, Sansa doesn’t notice).

In the end, he says it: “I’m honest. It’s the world that’s awful”